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What really happened in Eden?

Post  Bee on Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:48 pm

Please read the thread " Trees are nations" before reading here as you will get lost.
http://solomon.heavenforum.com/discussions-f1/trees-are-nations-t1.htm

GARDEN OF EDEN

We would think that if God dedicated a whole story to the first law that we would try our utmost to unravel and figure it out. Especially if it has such a dire consequence as
“ You shall surely die” if we break this first and only law at the time? Remember the sin unto death still stands and we are not even to pray for them that commit this sin!

1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. (Therefore He says you DO NOT Pray for it)

So now let us go to the Garden of Eden with this knowledge of Trees being Nations and see what happened there.

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Here the Lord says that HE made Certain trees to grow that were pleasant etc But please note that He states that that the Tree of Life and the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil were also there and not that the Lord God made them to grow” This subtle difference becomes very important later on where I will elaborate.

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:


Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Now remembering that trees are symbolic of people let’s look at the word “ eat.” Logically speaking people don’t eat people on a daily basis!
So we know this is also a metaphor for something else. Let’s assume for now it is of a sexual nature especially if we look at the word " touch"

Definition of " touch" naw-gah' A primitive root; properly to touch, that is, lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphemistically, to lie with a woman)
So " touch" is to literally touch or lay with which is sexual.

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

So again I know of no tree that has the knowledge of anything least of all Good and evil, do you? Ok, so Adam and Eve may” eat” and " touch"of, or lay with, all the other trees except this tree with the knowledge.

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman,

We know that this is also symbolism for someone and not an actual snake as we know logically speaking a snake cannot be subtle (conniving, manipulative) or speak.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

So now we know that “ serpent “ is another name for Satan

Now where people get the idea that that the fruit was an apple I have no idea? We eat apples everyday and they are quite delicious.
Please note how Eve actually “ desired ‘ this tree and a tree was able to” make one wise.”
Again not possible from any tree or fruit I know of but definately this tree has human characteristics.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Please note that after Adam and Eve “ate” of this tree, (committed this sin) they where immediately ashamed of their bodies. This is a clear indication that their sin was of a sexual nature and that Satan had beguiled them to commit a sexually immoral act, with a people God forbid them to and Satan approved of. I will show how the Bible backs this up further in this discussion.

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

We now need to ask ourselves why God, if he created all the trees (nations) would he not allow Adam and Eve to “ eat “ of all the fruit (people) Here lies our answer.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


So Satan has a seed?
Yes, he does and it must be in human form as we now know trees are people. Let’s look at this parable and see if it makes more sense now.

Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man( God) which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy (Satan) cam and sowed tares (Satan’s Seed) among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:26 but when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Mat 13:27 so the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

And here Jesus explains it very simply and straightforward.

Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.




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Re: What really happened in Eden?

Post  marianne on Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:29 pm

Jesus said the seed was the word of God. So the seed of satan must be the word of satan.

how does that produce physical children?

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Re: What really happened in Eden?

Post  Bee on Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:17 pm

Hi Marianne
Welcome and happy to see you here bounce bounce
Did you read My view on deciphering the Bible ?
http://solomon.heavenforum.com/discussions-f1/my-view-on-deciphering-the-bible-t2.htm?sid=329107b445865fee8ac33f32c10edff9
The Bible is a two edged sword both carnal and spiritual.
We have to be obedient carnally and spititually. What we bind carnally on earth we bind spiritually also.
Most people concentrate on searching spiritual enlightenment whilst sinning carnally which will not get us anywhere. Remember the " mark of the Beast " will happen carnally, if we receive it then we will not be saved at judgment day no matter how spiritually enlightened we are.

Here are some scriptures to show the carnal side of " seed"

Ge 4:25
And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

Ge 17:7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Le 12:2
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child:

Le 15:16
And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him,
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